The celebrity podcaster was joined by investigative journalist Michael Shellenberger, who said he has spoken to insiders with ‘direct evidence’ about the Pentagon’s long-rumored UFO ‘crash retrieval’ and ‘reverse engineering’ programs.

Faced with his guests’ claims, Rogan worried aloud about the potential ramifications, or what would happen if such Earth-shattering revelations were confirmed publicly.

‘Society collapses because we’re faced with [the] illusion anyone of human race is in control,’ Rogan opined, ‘in the face of this overwhelming force from another planet.’

Influential podcaster Joe Rogan (pictured) voiced ‘genuine fear’ of societal collapse after investigative reporter Michael Shellenberger recounted US government whistleblowers’ claims that the Pentagon has successfully ‘mastered anti-gravity’ technology for military use

On Rogan’s broadcast Wednesday, Shellenberger divulged that a few of his sources claim to have ‘direct evidence’ that America has covertly ‘mastered anti-gravity.’

But Shellenberger — who is also an academic and a two-time candidate for California governor — also noted that he, himself, found the very notion of man-made anti-gravity propulsion hard to believe.

‘I’m a little skeptical that we’ve mastered anti-gravity, because that would just be so game-changing,’ he told Rogan. ‘I think it would take a huge amount of effort.’

‘On the other hand, I have interviewed people who are not comfortable coming forward yet that say that we have,’ the independent journalist confessed, ‘and claim direct evidence of that.’

‘These are folks that want stronger whistleblower protections to be able to come forward,’ Shellenberger emphasized.

Shellenberger (above) noted that he, himself, found the very notion of man-made anti-gravity propulsion hard to believe. ‘On the other hand, I have interviewed people who are not comfortable coming forward yet that say that we have,’ the independent journalist confessed

Luis Elizondo, the ex-Pentagon official who has made a name for himself as an ‘on the record’ UFO whistleblower, has also spoken out recently claiming that the UFOs seen by military witnesses deploy anti-gravity tech. In his new memoir, Imminent, Elizondo specifically cited the Gimabl UFO video (still above) caught on infrared by Navy pilots in 2015

On Rogan, Shellenberger took pains to distinguish between these long-rumored UFO ‘crash retrieval’ and ‘reverse engineering’ programs and the new, top secret and illegal Pentagon UFO program that he brought to light last week.

Shellenberger went viral last Tuesday after publishing one of his anonymous whistleblower’s accounts of an alleged UFO data collection program.

That classified UFO data retrieval effort, dubbed ‘Immaculate Constellation,’ was established in 2017 to ‘detect’ and ‘quarantine’ the military’s best UFO imagery, as well as its best videos, witness testimonies and electronic sensor evidence.

His anonymous source alleged that decades of deceptions were now occurring on the issues of non-human intelligence (NHI) and unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP).

The phrases are the broader and more careful terms of art used by experts investigating these incidents, once said to involve ‘aliens’ and ‘flying saucers.’

‘The Executive Branch has been managing UAP/NHI issues without Congressional knowledge, oversight, or authorization for some time, quite possibly decades,’ this anonymous whistleblower wrote in their alleged classified report to Congress.

‘Orb’ UFOs are said to be the most commonly reported by the US military. Above, a ‘metallic orb’ UFO – dubbed the ‘Mosul orb’ – as leaked to documentary filmmaker Jeremy Corbell

Explosive charges, made by former high-ranking US intelligence official David Grusch (center) in the press and to Congress, have accused both the US military and its defense contractors of stonewalling on evidence of crashed UFOs, recovered ‘beings,’ and even UFO-related deaths